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Re: :zz: Security risks US?
- To: zzdev@xxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: :zz: Security risks US?
- From: Ted Nelson <ted@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 18:11:36 +0900
- Cc: ted@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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So the security risks are not to the central computer network,
but to the people running the program-- as with Word bugs?
At 03:42 AM 10/9/98 +1000, you wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 08, 1998 at 08:31:08PM +0900, Ted Nelson wrote:
>> WOOPS! Gee, Andrew,
>> I didn't realize we were a security risk. I thought we were
>> always running in user spaces which had limited privileges.
>> And that while a master copy resides in system space somewhere,
>> it just got copied into user space prior to execution.
>> You mean a Perl program could break out of a user's
>> low-privileged space ?-(
>Not normally. That's not what I meant at all. However, remember that
>Zigzag files downloaded from the net are not necessarily written by the
>same user who is viewing them, and therefore could contain malicious code
>(trojans) in the cells written by a different user in order to have them
>hopefully executed by the users downloading the Zigzag files!
>For example, I could write and distribute a Zigzag file containing a cell
>which when executed not only performs a "chug", but also emails me the
>Netscape bookmark file (and other personal files) of the user running it.
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