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:zz: Security risk? US? MOI??
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- Subject: :zz: Security risk? US? MOI??
- From: Ted Nelson <ted@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 20:31:08 +0900
- Cc: ted@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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WOOPS! Gee, Andrew,
I didn't realize we were a security risk. I thought we were
always running in user spaces which had limited privileges.
And that while a master copy resides in system space somewhere,
it just got copied into user space prior to execution.
You mean a Perl program could break out of a user's
low-privileged space ?-(
At 05:06 PM 10/8/98 +1000, you wrote:
>On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 02:45:16PM +1000, Gossamer wrote:
>> Ted Nelson wrote:
>> > Unforch CNS say they don't want ZZ files to open
>> > automatically from the whatchamacallit table.
>> > Say it's a security risk.
>> Umm, xanni, can you translate this? :)
>Yeah, I can see why they feel that way. Since zigzag cells can contain
>perl code which can do anything the user can do, it would be trivial to
>write trojans using zigzag that would do almost anything malicious when
>certain cells were executed. Of course, users should probably look at
>the cell contents before executing them. Since Zigzag doesn't execute
>any cell contents automatically at present, only when requested by the
>user, this is not a severe risk as it is with MS Word or Excel.
> *** Xanni ***
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