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SORRY, this was Gzz-specific (was: Re: :zz: Coplanar marking explained)
- To: zzdev@xxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: SORRY, this was Gzz-specific (was: Re: :zz: Coplanar marking explained)
- From: "B. Fallenstein" <b.fallenstein@xxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:30:00 +0200
- Cc: Ted Nelson <ted@xxxxxxxxxx>, CodingWizard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- References: <184.108.40.206.20020504221142.00930850@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <3CD4FFBF.4060507@xxxxxx>
I just noticed that my mail below was VERY misleading, especially as I
said "Hi Ted and all" in the first line. While the first few paragraphs
were indeed adressed to Ted, everything labeled "Proposal..." was
entirely Gzz-specific and should have been marked so.
I do understand that Ted does not have the time to give our group design
advice currently. If he manages to comment on something occasionally,
that's great, but I certainly did not intend to burden him with
commenting on this!
SORRY for this mistake on my part.
B. Fallenstein wrote:
Hi Ted and all!
Funny that you should mention coplanar marking right now-- I had been
leaving through old zzdev mails just a few days ago and been pondering
it a bit.
Ted Nelson wrote:
> I thought
> I had a use for some second dimension of marking, but
> at the moment can't remember it.
Earlier, you wanted to use d.marklist or d.listmarks for the list of
marking-cells inside a mark (instead of d.1 in your present design).
(This is what I mentioned as d..mark-list in my other mail. Gzz 0.6 uses
this internally, by the way.)
> The headcell of a particular mark (on d.1) is probably the
> best one for referring to the entire mark. But we may
> want to have a reference token to take elsewhere to identify
> the mark.
I'd prefer to use the headcell of the mark, simply connecting it where
you need it. Especially when using d..mark-list instead of d.1, its
special connections would not get in the way.
> We would light up some particular mark and
> do on operation on the selected cells by-- let's say--
> - selecting one of these headcells with the left cursor;
> - this would light up the selection;
> - performing the operation with the right cursor,
> which then takes place with the whole bunch. (For instance,
> Hop would hop the whole bunch.
Hm, interesting! So far I had assumed there would be a ringrank of marks
and a current mark, as with the dimension and view lists.
An open question is the set of keyboard commands used for marking.
A few musings about key bindings (hopefully for implementation in Gzz
m: mark current cell in right arrowset
o m ("other mark"): mark current cell in left arrowset
<cell number> m: mark the cell identified by <cell number>
M <dir>: mark half-rank in direction
Ctrl-M: change to next mark set
Alt-M: change to previous mark set
[Note: proposed change of use for 'o' key: perform an action on the cell
in the *other* arrowset, e.g. 'o - l' would connect the cell in the left
arrowset to the right from the cell in the right arrowset; 'o G' would
make the left arrowset jump to the position of the right arrowset. The
current meaning of 'o,' "go to rootclone," could be assumed by the 'r'
On the mark list, there's always one mark that does not mark any cells
yet. To start a new mark, simply Ctrl-M on that mark and start marking
cells. Marking a cell in that mark creates a new empty mark on the list.
BTW, generally, I feel the currently active mark set should be one of a
number of options that can be configured to function keys (amongst
dimensions shown, cursor position, arrowset, active frame, and view).
Thus, I'd like to tell my computer quickly: "F4 is the current set of
dimensions (d.1, d.4, d.mark) and the current mark (m.7)." Then,
pressing F4, I want to change to these configurations (leaving all other
configurations what they were before). I think for me, this could ease
the task of navigating zzstructure considerably.