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:zz: Not changing cells [left out of prev.]
- To: zzdev@xxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: :zz: Not changing cells [left out of prev.]
- From: Ted Nelson <ted@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:51:35 +0900
- Cc: ted@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Reply-to: zzdev@xxxxxxxxxx
And also this (I haven't told you yet)--
I don't think I want to allow most cells to change.
Result cells, yes (which we don't have yet. Text cells, no.
Text cells should be *replaceable* (with a new number
and a "successor" relation to the other), but not changed.
The old cell is Chugged in -d.successor, so all its connections
are transferred to the new one.
That allows slices to make sense. It's also necessary
for other reasons that escape me at the moment.
At 06:30 PM 10/2/98 +1000, you wrote:
>Ted Nelson wrote:
>> I know, but I wasn't thinking of a URL.
>This doesn't mean it isn't :)
>URL stands for "Universal Resourse Locator" and that's what we're
>trying to do - right? Locate resources?
>> Consider the references in OSMIC-- they're not
>> to URLs; they're to specific byte ranges in the
>> primedia scroll and to specific operations in the Oplist.
>> We could encapsulate these somehow in a URL,
>> but consider that to get a specific portion of
>> the primedia we would have to have a CGI script
>> on the server.
>Nope. The OSMIC server can already do what we need. And the
>URL for OSMIC would look something like this:
>See? It -is- a reference to byte ranges in the Primedia
>And since ZigZag cells can only -display- data at this point, we don't
>need to encode the operations. That's a problem for the cell-editing
>> What I had had in mind was different-- a local
>> primedia scroll and references within it.
>Same thing :)
>Incidentally, because of how the OSMIC server works it doesn't matter
>if I access my primedia scroll, or xanadu.net's, or happydoodle's,
>etc. The OSMIC server doesn't "know" if it's getting a connection
>from the same machine or the other side of the world.
>> (When a cell is exported, however, that complicates it, since the
>> primedia would have to be exported as well, probably with its cosmic
>That does complicate things, yes. But they're already complicated if
>we can reference files and programs from Cells. In fact the idea of
>"export" really doesn't make too much sense ... at least it becomes
>analogous to the "save to disk" option in Netscape - getting a
>snapshot of something that might change at any moment.
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