Re: All of the WWW Available **Forever**

[Edward Cherlin <cherlin@xxxxxxxxx>]

>Comments Xanni:
>
>EC>   transclude:[URL]:[date]:[segment(s)]
>
>>   Actually, we badly need URL extensions to support partial
>>   document addressing and version selection in a standardised
>>   way.  If we could address ranges within documents from a URL,
>>   it could be implemented using the new "Byte range" facilities
>>   in HTTP. [...]
>
>  The XML (Extensible Markup Language, the officially proposed
>  _replacement_ for the HTML) makes use of TEI's 'Xptr' (Extended
>  Pointer) mechanism, which makes possible both
>
>      "bidirectional, multi-way links, as well as links to a span
>       of text (within your own or other documents) rather than to
>       a single point." [reference below]
>
>  Ergo, I don't believe that proposing a separate URI type just
>  for textual trasclusion would make much sense. After all, why
>  shouldn't we be able to refer to AND possibly transclude
>  specific _regions_ within n-layer types of data?


Oh, OK. Does XML provide for referring to older versions of a text that the
publisher has replaced? That was the point of my proposal, now that there
is someone archiving the whole Web, with a plan to continue at regular
intervals.
>
>__Ian

> ______  ______________________________________ LINKS TO EXPLORE

Thanks. I'll go read up on it all.

> <?XML!> http://www.ucc.ie/xml/
>
>    TEI  http://www.sil.org/sgml/acadapps.html#tei
> HyTime  http://www.sil.org/sgml/
>   Xptr  http://www.ucc.ie/xml/#TEI-LINK
>    EPN  http://etext.virginia.edu/bin/tei-tocs?div=DIV2&id=SAXR
>
>
>      XML FAQ Version 1.0.1 (May 1997)
>      ______________________________________
>C.13  How will XML affect my document links?
>
>      The linking abilities of XML systems are much more powerful
>      than those of HTML.  Existing HREF-style links will remain
>      usable, but new linking technology is based on the lessons
>      learned in the development of other standards involving
>      hypertext, such as TEI and HyTime, which will let you manage
>      bidirectional and multi-way links, as well as links to a span
>      of text (within your own or other documents) rather than to a
>      single point.  This is already implemented for SGML in
>      browsers like Panorama and Multidoc Pro.
>
>      The current proposal is that an XML link can be either a URL
>      or a TEI-style Extended Pointer (`Xptr'), or both.  A URL on
>      its own is assumed to be a resource (as with HTML); if an Xptr
>      follows it, it is assumed to be a sub-resource of the URL; an
>      Xptr on its own is assumed to apply to the current document.
>
>      An Xptr is always preceded by one of #, ?, or |.  The # and ?
>      mean do the same as in HTML applications; the | means the sub-
>      resource can be found by applying the Xptr to the resource,
>      but the method of doing this is left to the implementation.
>
>      TEI Extended Pointer Notation (EPN) is much more powerful than
>      the simple ID examples given above. This_sentence,_for_example,
>      marked_as_a_link,_could_be_referred_to_within_this_document_as
>      ID(tei-link)CHILD(3),_meaning_the_third_object_within_the_element
>      labeled_tei-link_(this_paragraph).  Count the objects: a) the
>      link to `TEI Extended Pointer Notation', b) the remainder of
>      the first sentence, and c) the second sentence.  If you view
>      this file with Panorama you can click on the highlighted
>      sentence above, which links to the start of this question, and
>      then click on the cross-reference button beside the question
>      title, and it will display the locations in Extended Pointer
>      Notation of all the links to it, including the previous
>      sentence.  (Doing this in an HTML browser is not meaningful,
>      as they do not support bidirectional linking or EPN.)
>         [....]


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