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:zz: Clarif. re inside/contents
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- Subject: :zz: Clarif. re inside/contents
- From: Ted Nelson <ted@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 14:11:12 +0900
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The concept is simple, and exactly matches the names,
*once you get it* ;-)
but as with so many things, getting it may not be
AHEM! (Tapping pointer on lectern) =====
"Inside" is transitive-- (could it be otherwise?)--
a b c d ...
so in this example, b is inside a, c iis inside b, d
is inside c, etc.
Now, the problem with only having that one dimension
to represent containment is that in this model,
each thing can only contain *one other* thing,
like nesting Russian dolls.
So to put more than one thing inside A, we need
some way of representing it, a contents list;
and a simple way to do that is have it dangle from
the first contained object. A design choice is
whether to have some title, or just the first item,
at the top of the list; I choose to put the first item,
since there might not even be a second.
The expected structures is:
d.contents \/ d.inside => ("|" here means "no connection)
where for some reason (probably visual convenience in
some context), A *might* be connected to B, abd c to d,
but those connections have no system-supported connection.
At 10:42 PM 10/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>> Good question.
>> Fonts make it diff. to read your pic,
>I do a lot of doodling. You may need to view my message in a
>fixed-width font to make it work. For your convenience I attach a GIF
>of my doodle. (Is that really more convenient?)
>> Please ask more like this one.
>OK, here's one:
>> > A - B - C +--> +d.inside
>> > | | | |
>> > X B1 C1 v +d.contents
>Which cells are part of the contents of A?
>You said that X is not. What about B?
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